Mark Worster: 13:45
They’re all like, what. Are you like Nero fiddling? It introduced me to yoga. It introduced me to meditation. And when I came back, I was as calm as could be. I was able to handle it.
We paid off the Bank of America in a year. We got them, you know, we got them paid in full. We rolled on, the business grew again. And here’s a really important thing. I learned how to read a P&L and a balance sheet intimately to the penny.
So I find, you know, that was my MBA. It was like, you know, you gotta figure this shit out. And they taught me, they they taught me in my, you know, I had a lot of resources. I always have been good at knowing what I don’t know, and finding people who do know that and who can help me to get there so I can read a P&L on a balance sheet. And and it’s fun because I’ve done it, you know, for so many years.
John Corcoran: 14:39
So you get to the point.
Mark Worster: 14:40
I went on that yoga retreat, and I came back and I got certified as a yoga instructor and did that for 2 or 3 years.
John Corcoran: 14:47
While you’re running the IT Company.
Mark Worster: 14:49
And then moved on.
John Corcoran: 14:51
Yeah. So you kind of decide that you want to move on from the companies you sell the company to. What was that like, selling the company, walking away from this company that you’d, you know, been running for 30 years?
Mark Worster: 15:02
I gotta tell you, John, you know it. I knew I was going to be going as soon as I started nursing school in 2012. I knew I’d eventually be excited. And, you know, it got real serious in 2016. So 2016 into 2017, even though it was my brother I’m negotiating with, you know, I had to figure out how I could maximize my exit and not leave him cash strapped, right.
He still needed to be able to do this. So it took a you know, there were things that I wish that I had done differently in retrospect. But, you know, he’s still rolling and I’m fine. And I thought I was prepared because I knew I was going to be out. But I’ll tell you what.
If you’ve exited a business before, maybe you’ve had this experience. I went from being the CEO to being not a CEO. And it was something that I didn’t anticipate that I’d have as much of a problem with. Right. I have been the CEO for 30 years.
Mark Worster: 16:03
You know, there was a level of expectation and and now I’m not that now I’m now, you know, I’ve got this nursing degree. I got into the cannabis space, I started down that road and I dipped in a lot of areas. I ended up getting a master’s in medical cannabis science and therapeutics.
John Corcoran: 16:20
It was wow.
Mark Worster: 16:21
I mean, it’s a beautiful medicine. I dove down.
John Corcoran: 16:25
And so it’s funny because you come from the straight and narrow guy. Marines tend to be not recreational marijuana users. I assume most of them are.
Mark Worster: 16:35
I was agnostic, John. I didn’t care if you used it. I didn’t use it. Right. And it was this. It was this good. 2016 I’m part of the American Nurses Association mass chapter. Massachusetts has a referendum for recreational cannabis in the state. I’m on a panel, a task force with the governor opposing the recreational movement. And then like two years later, I’m fully into the cannabis space.
John Corcoran: 17:05
What? What Twitch. What changed?
Mark Worster: 17:08
I really got behind the dogma and the stigma around cannabis. I got past that and saw what was happening as a result of people actually using it as a medicine. Like, I mean that I’ll give you an example. There was a woman who my business partner at the time worked with, a 71 year old woman diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. Now, pancreatic cancer is one that once you’re diagnosed, you don’t get diagnosed until it’s way, way down the path like it’s way too far down.
Usually you’re dead within two years, maybe six months. My mom died of it in six months. My uncle was a couple of years old. A friend was six months old. Like, it’s pretty much a death sentence, right?
This woman started to use cannabis. My, again, my business partner was coaching her on using it. She’s a nurse. And, you know, four, five years later, cancer free, like within months, she went back to her doctor and was cancer free. And the doctor said, whatever you’re doing, don’t stop.
Mark Worster: 18:13
And so it’s unheard of. So I saw things like that happening when people would use it as medicine. And I was and I thought, well, hell, I can get on board with this.
John Corcoran: 18:24
Yeah, that’s quite a shit, really.
Mark Worster: 18:25
How it became illegal. You know, back in the day.
John Corcoran: 18:28
Yeah, yeah.
Mark Worster: 18:29
Completely political. So.
John Corcoran: 18:30
Well, that was that. And that’s really the kind of the war on drugs both, you know, not just Nancy Reagan, but.
Mark Worster: 18:37
Also going back to. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
John Corcoran: 18:42
Great documentary on that is How to Change Your Mind, which is on Netflix. Yeah, I highly recommend that one. Talks a lot about the war on drugs. So you have this total shift and then eventually you’re involved in a CBD company. You talk about that.
Mark Worster: 18:58
Yeah. So you know, I started the CBD line product line at the end of 2018 and 2019. And you know, I’d never done anything with product formulation before or packaging or retail, you know, product sales. So it was super interesting to get on that road. And, you know, I started to, I started to dive into sort of setting up a processing plant. So I got really into, you know, the distillation process and the creation, you know, the extraction and creation of products from raw hemp.
And it was really super interesting. And I had that into 2020 and 2021. And then, you know, with the pandemic and everything that was going on and honestly, I just I’m one of those people like, again, I’ll do things for a couple of years. And then if there’s not like in the iOS model, if there’s not an integrator to take this thing over.
John Corcoran: 20:01
You know, you need to move on.
Mark Worster: 20:02
I’m just going.
John Corcoran: 20:04
So you’re not the one to run it. Yeah. And in that case, did you not have someone to run it?
Mark Worster: 20:09
I didn’t. Yeah. No, it was a great product line. It really was. Formulations were just so spot on.
John Corcoran: 20:16
You. You also became a psychiatric nurse. Why?
Mark Worster: 20:19
So I had a nursing degree. Well, because, you know, my history is I had treatment resistant depression my whole life, you know, as far back as I can remember. And I was suicidal three times. I mean, I’ve been on the other side of the nurses station without my shoelaces and my belt one time. And, you know, have all this success and still have these challenges and this depression that wouldn’t go away. And so, you know, when I, when I started in, in the psychedelic medicine space, in the ketamine, I started in the ketamine startup, you know.
John Corcoran: 20:55
First of all, before we get to that, before we get to that. So we got interested in marijuana. When did you get interested in psychedelics?
Mark Worster: 21:05
- Right. In the.
John Corcoran: 21:06
2020.
Mark Worster: 21:07
Pandemic.
John Corcoran: 21:07
Yeah. Okay.
Mark Worster: 21:08
June 2020.
John Corcoran: 21:10
And you tried it recreationally as a kid, I think you.
Mark Worster: 21:13
Said, oh. My gosh.
John Corcoran: 21:13
When I
Mark Worster: 21:13
Was a kid. Yeah, when I was a kid, probably my first LSD experience was 14, 15, 14.
John Corcoran: 21:20
Okay. So you had this background. You tried it.
Mark Worster: 21:22
When you were a lot younger. Yeah. Okay. And, you know.
Mark Worster: 21:24
As I said, I had treatment resistant depression. It was really me self-medicating back then.
Mark Worster: 21:31
So I had this. Self-medicating regimen going on. But it was recreational, you know, because I just didn’t have that capacity to understand the medical side of it.
John Corcoran: 21:41
So what brought you back to it in your adulthood? In 2020?
Mark Worster: 21:49
You know, I firmly believe you get on. You get on your path. If you’re sort of moving in that direction, it will find you and you’ll end up where you’re supposed to be. And I had, you know, a business partner said, hey, you know, I’ve got some mushrooms, you know, I don’t know, have you ever done them? I said, yeah, and I really enjoyed it. Way, way back I remembered. So I had this amazing deep mushroom journey. On July 15th, 2020, I was living on a farm in Massachusetts, on the ocean. It was a beautiful summer day.
John Corcoran: 22:21
Three years after having exited your business. And you’re also three months into Covid. So some significant stuff is going on.
Mark Worster: 22:28
Oh, this is great, John. You know, I want to talk about timing. I moved to Manhattan, found this beautiful third floor, one bedroom walk up in Hell’s Kitchen two blocks from Times Square in February of 2020.
Mark Worster: 22:42
I had a month. Where I was like, yeah, I’ve arrived. Here I am in New York City, loving life. You know, I’d lived there all of 2018 and I came back in 2020. Yeah.
John Corcoran: 22:53
So that shuts. Down. So three months later, you’re on a farm.
Mark Worster: 22:56
Okay. You know. I just hightailed it out of the city. I knew it wouldn’t be New York City anytime soon.
John Corcoran: 23:01
So, yeah, I.
Mark Worster: 23:02
Ended up in this farm. It’s a working farm. I have this deep mushroom experience, which was. It was just amazing. And, You know, for the first time, for the first time that I could remember, there was no depression. There was no cloud.
John Corcoran: 23:24
Just like that.
Mark Worster: 23:25
There was this feeling of joy and happiness and connection. Right. So that’s usually what happens in a psychedelic experience. You feel this overwhelming connection to everything.
John Corcoran: 23:37
And are you Talking about during the trip? Are you talking about afterwards?
Mark Worster: 23:40
It’s residual like you during the trip, you have this intense feeling of connection. And when you are back in this space, you are still residual. I mean, there’s some that you’ve had that experience, right? You can’t know it. Right. It’s one of those things.
John Corcoran: 23:56
Yeah. So your depression, this treatment resistant depression, goes away after this.
Mark Worster: 24:01
30% of the population are clinically diagnosed with depression, have treatment resistant, which means I tried every therapy and I don’t. I don’t do anything half assed, so I tried everything. I was studying at Harvard. I would.
Mark Worster: 24:16
Do. Mindfulness meditation versus meditation. I did every medication. I did transcranial magnetic stimulation, I did everything. And, you know, it was my path. It’s what I was supposed to do because I’m so well versed in psychopharmacology because I was on all of it. And, you know, I would deeply research any of it before I would do it. And then, you know, I’ve taken coursework and class work and in, in pharmacology and psychopharmacology. So.
John Corcoran: 24:49
So how did that make you feel that you’ve been suffering from this treatment resistant depression for 30, 40 years of your lifetime? Just such suffering. And you tried everything and yet and you find something that grows in the woods that solves it for you. How did that make you feel?
Mark Worster: 25:08
It made me feel like. I need it. This is what I need to be doing. I need to be telling people about this. Like, this is why I had that depression, you know?
And I’m so thankful that I did have that depression because it caused me to go down all these rabbit holes, these other rabbit, you know, mindfulness and meditation and just all of it. Right. So I have such a depth of knowledge of experience and, and, you know, I had some of the greatest therapists really, truly like, at the top of their game. And they were wonderful, but they never got to the root of the problem. So me having the experience in psychedelic medicine, it gets to the root of the problem.
And that’s what I spend my time doing, is helping people to get to the root, to get to the programs that are in place from birth to seven years, they get formed. All your beliefs come from them, your behaviors come from them. And yeah. So I.
John Corcoran: 26:06
So. You’re studying to be a A psychiatric nurse after this experience. You did that afterwards?
Mark Worster: 26:13
No. I mean, I, you know, in nursing school, you know, you do get experience and training in the different genres of nursing because there’s so many different parts of the field, you know, so many different things in the nursing world. You can be. I just got into that world and started to work as a psychiatric nurse, which was, which was really, you know, my my preference, my choice is to work acute care. So I love to work on the unit with people who are in lockdown.
Right. I’ve been there, I understand. And at some level I think that they feel that. I think that they see and feel that I’ve been where they are. Like, I have that empathy and compassion and understanding that they’re in a rough place. Like I’ve been there. It’s. Yeah, there’s just such a connection there. So it was.
Mark Worster: 27:06
Inevitable that I would work in that space.
John Corcoran: 27:08
But you eventually reached a point where you kind of came to a realization that you couldn’t work within the system anymore. Is that correct?
Mark Worster: 27:17
Yeah. Yeah. Because I couldn’t, I couldn’t continue to dispense medications that I knew were just symptom relief, barely, but had such, you know, a large laundry list of side effects. I mean, you know, they do the best that they can within that world. You know, the psychiatrists and the psychiatric nurse practitioners and, you know, and all the nurses and the staff and everybody, they’re doing the best that they can within that model. I just know now that there is another model that works so much more efficiently and so much more safely.
John Corcoran: 27:55
So it’s almost like you had to quit because you felt like it.
John Corcoran: 28:00
You couldn’t you couldn’t work within that system.
Mark Worster: 28:03
I was halfway through a psychiatric nurse practitioner degree. I dropped out last June. Like I Said.
Mark Worster: 28:07
I just, you know, the government’s not going to get there in time. They’re not going to be able to do this for people. And, and yeah, you know.
Mark Worster: 28:16
Yeah. Just and just helping people to get outside of or identify first what programs they received. Right. Because they’re outside. They’re in the subconscious.
John Corcoran: 28:28
And what do you mean by that when you say the programs that we received?
Mark Worster: 28:32
Well, you know, it’s how we become who we are, right? Why do we behave or react the way we do? Why do we have the emotions that we have? Why are we driven to be entrepreneurs? You know what makes us be that way?
Be who we are. You know, we like to think that it’s our choice. But in fact, most of it’s driven by programs, beliefs that we were given by our parents, by society, the culture we grew up in, and many times it’s inherited through the DNA. Right. We know that we inherit experiences from previous generations in our DNA that can manifest.
Right. Because epigenetics, your experiences at an early age, will turn on and off genes actually throughout your whole life. But in that first seven years, we’re in a theta brainwave state. We are in a hypnotic state. So everything we take in, we don’t analyze, it just goes into the subconscious as truth.
And some of that’s, you know, detrimental and some of it produces a great life. Like you may be an entrepreneur that’s driven, driven, driven, driven, but that driven part is because of a program that’s in your subconscious now. It gives you a great life, but it’s not going to give you joy. At the end of the day, you may end up with all of these beautiful things and all of this success where I ended up in and just not have joy in your life.
John Corcoran: 30:01
There’s lots of people like that, right.
John Corcoran: 30:03
Who? Write who they are.
Mark Worster: 30:07
On the outside, it seems like they have. Yeah, right. Yeah. So once you identify what that driver was, once you identify it, you get to work with it and get rid of it like you reset it. You. And when you do that, you enter a space of being able to really have choice in your life.
Mark Worster: 30:23
True choice, you know, and and a lot of times people will look at you and say, wow, what’s wrong, man?
John Corcoran: 30:30
You’re like, well, that’s.
John Corcoran: 30:30
What I was going to ask is like, you know, you must have gone through a massive transformation. If we talked to Mark of 2018 or something like.
Mark Worster: 30:39
That, probably.
John Corcoran: 30:40
A very different person. So what were the reactions of friends or family? How did they do it? React?
Mark Worster: 30:46
I just talked to a friend of mine who is Deb Stevens and Mark and Deb Stevens are dear friends from the Boston area. They were in commercial real estate and were just for 2025 years. We were friends. And so Deb and I and a gentleman named Peter Barnes Brown, who was an attorney, part of a big firm, and a gentleman named Scott Goodwin from a partner in a CPA firm in Boston. We would meet on a monthly basis for probably ten years.
John Corcoran: 31:17
Like a networking group. It was just the four of us, right? Okay.
Mark Worster: 31:21
And Deb, Deb said, I talked to her earlier this week and we were catching up and she said, damn, man. I mean, you’ve come so far. She said, I remember sitting at the table when you told Peter Scott and I that you were selling the company and that you were, you know, moving on to something new. And she said, we all said the same thing. Said, what the f are you thinking?
John Corcoran: 31:45
Like, what.
Mark Worster: 31:45
Are you doing?
John Corcoran: 31:46
Like, you’ve.
Mark Worster: 31:47
Working 30 years, you don’t like you’ve reached that top, right? You’re at the apex. I don’t have to work hard because it’s sort of like autopilot. Been doing it so long. The money’s coming in. Everything’s great. Yeah, they thought I was crazy, but it was. It was my path. Like it needed to happen. It was needed because I, you know, honestly, John, it was none of the stuff I had, all the toys, I had the boats, the Harley, the cars.
You know, I was single. I was dating a lot. None of it brought me joy. And I knew that I needed to do something. I needed to move on. I mean, today, I mean, my life is just incredible. And I think we talked about it. It’s just. Yeah, I couldn’t have even I couldn’t have predicted or planned where I am now in my wildest dreams. Yeah.
John Corcoran: 32:40
Now, you are also an advocate of doing breathwork. You want to explain? For those who don’t know what that is, what.
Mark Worster: 32:48
That is. What? Probably the modality that I use the most with clients and with with people who are looking to You really dive in and have that that psychedelic experience is breath work because done in a certain way, it is a psychedelic modality like you will, you know, the I mean, in all of them, it’s just that prefrontal cortex, the conscious mind goes offline and you’re able to access the deeper spaces, right? The bigger regions of your psyche, your subconscious and collective subconscious. Its breathwork is beautiful. I mean, because everybody says, yes.
John Corcoran: 33:27
That’s the.
Mark Worster: 33:27
Beauty.
John Corcoran: 33:28
Yeah. So how I’ve done breathwork a couple of times before. It’s never been a long session. It’s been like 20 minutes, 30 minutes, something like that.
John Corcoran: 33:37
Yeah. That’s not enough, is it? No. How long do you have to do it for?
Mark Worster: 33:41
So there was a psychiatrist, a guy named Stan Groff, and he’s, you know, super famous in the psychedelic medicine space because he.
John Corcoran: 33:51
I think he lived out near me. I live in Marin County. I think he lived out here at one point.
Mark Worster: 33:56
Yeah, he was. At Esalen Institute with his wife, Christina. And so, you know, from 56 to 1970, he worked with LSD, with clients. He’s a psychiatrist. He was doing clinical research. He was having great success, did a lot of research, wrote a lot of books on it.
Highly recommend any of his books. They’re beautiful. When? When Nixon went on his rampage in and made everything illegal using the Controlled Substances Act. Stan and his wife were where they’re like, okay, we can’t use LSD anymore. What do we do?
John Corcoran: 34:29
Yeah. And to be clear, they were using it to treat people who were suffering from alcoholism and depression.
Mark Worster: 34:36
They were using it. It is to treat.
John Corcoran: 34:36
People. Yeah.
Mark Worster: 34:37
For depression, anxiety and.
John Corcoran: 34:40
And the crazy thing was it was really helping people dramatically. Yeah. It’s really a tragedy.
Mark Worster: 34:46
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the FDA did authorize last year the first LSD based anti-anxiety medication. So we’re moving in.
John Corcoran: 34:57
Moving slowly in that direction.
Mark Worster: 34:59
Yeah, slowly. But Stan and his wife, Christina, at the time were they were just they they didn’t know what they were going to do. And they determined over a period of time that if they did breathwork in a certain way. Now his breathwork is called Holotropic breathwork. And that’s a word that he coined meaning moving towards source.
Holotropic breathwork is three hours long, and you’re paired off with someone who sits and kind of helps you through, but you breathe for three hours. It’s an intense LSD like experience, like you legitimately will go out.
John Corcoran: 35:42
Are there risks? Okay, says the ignorant one. Are there risks involved in that? I mean, like.
John Corcoran: 35:47
Could you pass out from lack of oxygen?
Mark Worster: 35:49
No, no, I mean, you know, it’s as safe as any experience that you’re going to have, like, any of the medications that you might.
Mark Worster: 35:56
Be. Prescribed. Right.
Mark Worster: 35:58
Yeah. You know, if you have cardiac issues, then probably you shouldn’t do it. If you’re Pregnant.
Mark Worster: 36:02
You probably shouldn’t do it because you know, you’re going to be, you’re going to be breathing for three hours with very loud music, very curated. And you do legitimately have out of body experiences.
John Corcoran 36:15
Really? Wow.
Mark Worster: 36:16
Yeah. Absolutely. 100%.
John Corcoran: 36:18
Wow.
Mark Worster: 36:18
You know, and the biggest indicator for me, every time that I’ve done Holotropic breathwork. And I was so lucky two years ago to be in, in a two day seminar with Stan Groff. And, you know, just to hear his experiences and to experience Holotropic breathwork with him. One of the things about any psychedelic experience is time goes out the window, right? Because time is just a construct of the conscious mind. When you exit, time goes with it. So when I breathe for three hours with Holotropic breathwork, every time I’ve done it, it feels like five minutes. When you come.
John Corcoran: 37:00
Back.
Mark Worster: 37:01
You’re like, I was only, I mean, I’ve only done it for five minutes, right? No. Three hours. So it’s truly, you know, one of those experiences. So I use a.
A derivative of that. And it’s an hour long breathing. And I’m also trained in rebirthing breathwork which is a whole other modality that’s similar. It’s about bringing the conscious mind offline. And that way you can access these spaces that hold these programs. Right. And so if you work with a client, you can identify, you know, you get the history, you get the family history, you get the.
Mark Worster: 37:40
Yeah. Relationship history. And you can kind of pull out after a while if you’ve been doing this for a while, you can kind of pull out what the likely programs are that are in play because, you know, honestly, we get a lot of the same programs.
John Corcoran: 37:55
So what does that mean then? So like if you do like an hour or three hour whole holographic Breathwork.
John Corcoran: 38:02
Holotropic breathwork session. And what do you mean by you can pull out what the programming is? Is it like, you know, they enter a state where.
Mark Worster: 38:10
You can ask someone and you’re using the breathwork as the modality to open up that container to figure out, you know, what was there. I always do a history with the client. I’ll do a history of their relationships. What were their grandparents like? Do they know anything about their great grandparents?
John Corcoran: 38:26
This is before the session.
Mark Worster: 38:29
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you know, it’s like, you know, there’ll be an intake and, you know, we’ll get the history and then we’ll get the history of, you know, what was going on with the parents while, you know, they.
Mark Worster: 38:41
Yeah. While they were in the womb. Because that’s super important, right? When you’re in the womb, you are part and parcel of your mother like you are her. So any experience that she has during that nine month window, if you’re lucky to get to nine months, any experience that she has is your experience. And so that gets embedded and imprinted so that we start there like we’re going to start there and work our way through.
John Corcoran: 39:07
So after they go through this experience then how do they understand on a deeper level what their programming was from these previous life experiences?
Mark Worster: 39:17
Well, you know, that’s that’s the beauty of these experiences. It is revealed to you. Right. So you get insight into what was in play. You know.
John Corcoran: 39:36
In the same way that in a psychedelic experience, you kind of it helps you to understand.
Mark Worster: 39:43
It reveals. I mean, it opens up that container and whatever’s there will bubble up into your awareness. And, you know, many times you’ll bring those experiences that you have in that short amount of time out into the conscious mind. And that’s why I think integration or coaching, after any of these experiences, whether it’s breathwork or psychedelic medicine, is key because it helps you to make sense out of what the disparate pieces of the experience were.
John Corcoran: 40:16
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know you’ve you’ve well, I want to ask you what you, what your opinion is of, you know, there are so many different psychedelic modalities and medicines that are, that are kind of getting a second look right now is there’s been kind of a renaissance and an interest in them. What other ones haven’t we talked about that you think are worth looking at?
Mark Worster: 40:38
They’re all so beautiful and different in how they affect you, I think. You know, I mean, like doing a mushroom journey is much different than doing an ayahuasca journey, you know? And my feeling is that they should always be done in a very sacred and reverent way. You know, I mean, they’re medicines that have been around since the beginning of time. Really.
Mark Worster: 41:06
With mushrooms. I mean, they’ve been here on the planet 800 million years, far longer than we have, right?
Mark Worster: 41:12
And You know, and the thought process is, I mean, the hypotheses are that it’s, you know, the stoned ape theory, if you’ve ever heard that from.
John Corcoran: 41:20
You know. That’s a funny one. Can you explain that to people?
Mark Worster: 41:24
Because the stone Ape theory is that our predecessors, you know, the expansion of their consciousness into the homo sapiens, into what we’ve become, was launched through them eating mushrooms. like that was the catalyst that expanded consciousness, you know? Before that, they were at a lower level of consciousness. They had these mushrooms that were all over the place. And that’s what.
John Corcoran: 41:51
And I think. I recall reading that there was a long period of time where Homo sapiens didn’t evolve, like, or their evolution was kind of stuck. And then something triggered it. And then all of a sudden, Homo sapiens evolved into, you know, humans with much greater, you know, intellectual capacity.
Mark Worster: 42:12
I mean. Yeah, and, you know.
John Corcoran: 42:14
And so it’s. A theory is.
Mark Worster: 42:15
We survived in our compatriots, our peers like Neanderthals and the others. There were a few.
John Corcoran: 42:22
That.
Mark Worster: 42:22
We were all together.
John Corcoran: 42:24
Right.
Mark Worster: 42:24
Here. We continued on and they did not.
John Corcoran: 42:28
Right, right, right.
Mark Worster: 42:29
It was there was a difference.
John Corcoran: 42:31
So it’s. An interesting theory perhaps.
John Corcoran: 42:33
Homo sapiens or whatever discovered these mushrooms, ate them, and then it expanded their consciousness and they started thinking in new ways, because that’s kind of what it does.
John Corcoran: 42:42
Yeah, right. Crazy idea. This is Mark. This has been really interesting. One more thing I want to ask you about is when we first talked about your new business, the new mysteries, you described it as, you know, The Matrix, the movie The Matrix, which I thought was such an interesting way of talking about what you do. I don’t think we’ve talked about it here in this interview, but can you explain how you know? Because what you do, I know you do. A lot of you do training, you do group sessions, you do one on one, a lot of different stuff. But it’s an interesting way of describing a business.
Mark Worster: 43:13
Well, you know, I was trying to think about what is my 32nd elevator pitch, you know, because every business should have one. And I was finding it hard. And I do this keynote called Red pill. Blue pill. Right. It’s a play on the Matrix and.
John Corcoran: 43:26
The matrix.
Mark Worster: 43:27
Psychedelics. And I talk about, you know, the matrix, the illusion that we are in right now. And so when people ask me, what do you do? I say, have you seen the movie The Matrix? And usually they say, yeah.
I say, I’m Morpheus. I take people down the rabbit hole and I show them how deep it goes. And that’s really, you know, that’s what it is. So breathwork being able to expand that consciousness, being able to get outside this, you know, very narrow window of consciousness we typically live in, is where the magic is. Right.
And so the new mystery is that we work in the mystery. And it really is that people ask all the time, they’re like, oh, well, how does breathwork work? How is it? Why is it psychedelic? And, you know, we always have this need to know things, right? We’re driven. The humans are driven.
Mark Worster: 44:16
Sure. We have to know the end of the day. There’s a component of it that we just don’t know. We’re just not going to know. Like it’s a mystery. So I really think that that’s what I do is I work in that mystery zone.
John Corcoran: 44:32
And that’s quite an evolution for, you know, someone with your background, your training, you know, having been through the Marines nursing all that stuff.
Mark Worster: 44:40
Right. Very, very, very.
John Corcoran: 44:42
It’s all very cut and dried, very straightforward. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
John Corcoran: 44:47
So how did you do it?
Mark Worster: 44:48
End up here?
John Corcoran: 44:49
Yeah. Yeah. Well I mean you’ve got this also have this, you know, beautiful Cheshire cat grin on your face at all times. And so there’s definitely something.
Mark Worster: 45:00
Like oh.
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Mark Worster: 45:03
The best. It’s the best.
John Corcoran: 45:04
I’m glad to hear it. Mark, where can people go to learn more about you and connect with you?
Mark Worster: 45:08
thenewmysteries.org, LinkedIn is a good place. You can find me on LinkedIn. Message me. I’m happy to chat. I’m happy to talk about any and all things.
Stepping outside the matrix, accessing, you know, because when you get outside of that and you identify and you reset all those programs, you really do create a life of choice, the one that you choose. And the result of that is joy. You know, you and I were at the Global Leadership Conference. It was amazing as usual. Entrepreneurs’ Organization is just magic.
You know, I highly recommend anybody out there who’s an entrepreneur be a part of this, right? So we’re at the Global Leadership Conference. Deepak Chopra, one of my favorite people in the world, is up on stage. And his message was, joy is the only true measure of success. And I was like, bro, you’re talking to me.
John Corcoran: 46:09
Yeah. That’s great. Mark, thanks so much for your time.
Mark Worster: 46:12
John, thanks for having me on.
Outro: 46:17
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