Andy Cheng: 10:13
I was just. I knew it. I knew my life was too easy. I knew it, I was like, here we go. I knew something’s going to happen. I just didn’t figure it’s going to be. My dad got sick, but I just figured. And then next thing I know is I somehow just raised my hand and said, okay, I’ll take care of your business.
John Corcoran: 10:37
Because he was running the business. And by the way, I had a similar feeling probably around the same time in the late 90s. You know, for those who didn’t live through this era, it was a very peaceful time. There was, you know, the economy was doing really well all throughout the 90s. And then I remember two things. The Columbine massacre was really traumatic for me that we’ve now had many school shootings. But that was in 1999. And then and then nine over 11. And I remember I remember before 911 saying to my dad that I felt like our generation didn’t really have anything to define them. I mean, at the time, I was like 23, 24 years old, 22, something like that. There wasn’t a Vietnam like my parent’s generation had. There wasn’t World War Two like his parent’s generation had. Now, unfortunately, I feel like we’ve had a bunch of things that have defined us. But yeah, yeah.
Andy Cheng: 11:36
We’re in that uncertainty. Age 911. And then the first financial crisis in Southeast Asia or Korea. But then at that time, we’re still like, okay, it happens. So, okay, now that we care what we don’t. It’s like there’s nothing we can do.
John Corcoran: 11:53
But so you get married. Your dad has stage four cancer. What do you do next?
Andy Cheng: 12:02
I volunteer to take over his company. So I got married on 22,006 June, and my wife was pregnant almost immediately after the wedding. And then within the month, we moved to Shanghai for the very first time. When in China. And then I was. I was a researcher for AC Nielsen, and then within two months, I’m the owner of a business. I wasn’t even sure what my dad was doing.
John Corcoran: 12:34
So your dad didn’t talk to you much about the business when you were growing up.
Andy Cheng: 12:37
For, like a month, and then he had to go back to back to Taiwan to get treatment. So and then.
John Corcoran: 12:43
And, was he really integral to the company at the time?
Andy Cheng: 12:47
Yeah. He was very involved. But then John was like the first time I realized how life works, like you got a shareholder coming in. So some shareholders who are still with me and my uncle are so supportive. You got shareholders just basically ditch me. Like you can feel like how, I guess, how that real reality sets in, right? You got it.
John Corcoran: 13:12
So your dad wasn’t the sole owner. There were other owner shareholders. Okay.
Andy Cheng: 13:16
But then there was the brother who had a handshake agreement. However, it was just reality sets in where I was in a very different culture. Even the world’s Chinese were all Asian. This is very different. And I remember this one night me and my wife were watching a lot of, you know, movies at home.
And then we thought, oh my God, we’re done for the night. You need to check. Your clock was 7 p.m., but then we started crying. We’re like, this is our life. This is our life. We have no friends in Shanghai. We don’t know. I don’t know what the heck I was doing every day at the company, and nobody listened to me. And why would they? I have no, I don’t know. I’m the youngest person that turns out they call me the boss. I feel very awkward.
John Corcoran: 14:01
So you come in. You are the son of your dad. They’ve never met you before. How many employees are you having? We got it.
Andy Cheng: 14:08
15 at that.
John Corcoran: 14:09
Time. 15? So you have 15 employees and, you know, you come in. You’re the son of the boss. They’ve never met you before. And you’ve got to earn their respect.
Andy Cheng: 14:20
They have to learn and respect. I need to deal with a lot of office politics. You got the right hand person. Want to take over the company, try to do things. And it was so. And I have. It’s not like I know how to find a mentor. It’s just I keep myself everything to Everything to myself because I didn’t want to tell my parents, because my mom is already busy enough to take care of my dad. Right? And you don’t want to tell your dad and make his situation worse.
So I kept everything myself. So I don’t. And then it was just hard. It was hard in the sense that I have no one to talk to. Like no one to talk to. Like even to friends that you don’t like. Especially in China. You don’t tell people how much trouble you’re in. You always tell people how rich you are. Successful you are. So when I am with my friends or so-called friends, you don’t tell them anything.
John Corcoran: 15:15
Yeah.
Andy Cheng: 15:16
Yeah.
John Corcoran: 15:17
And you have no really have no one to turn to. Could you turn to your wife at that time?
Andy Cheng: 15:21
No. To turn to my wife. She was.
John Corcoran: 15:25
Pregnant. You want to freak her out? Probably, right?
Andy Cheng: 15:27
You’re going to freak her out. Once I forgot to give her money. So when she tried to pay something, she had, like, I forgot, like, nine out of the money. She freaked out. And, you know, like, I can’t understand why she freaked out. She’s like, oh, my God, I have no money in the account. I just forgot to transfer the money, so he can’t. I don’t want to forget it. He’s like, it’s just not the right time to tell anybody. So I kept everything myself.
John Corcoran: 15:53
And was the business doing okay?
Andy Cheng: 15:57
I think I was doing very well. Okay. Until my dad unfortunately passed away after one year and nine months of fighting with cancer. It was expected. Then you start seeing the truth. John, I’ll give you the best motivational speech I ever heard from my mom and my dad’s funeral. And by the way, I’m being sarcastic about that. I gave a very good speech about my dad. And then. And then everybody will stand up and, you know, applause. And my mom came to me and whispered in my ear when I was here in tears. And then she said, Andy, you gotta work hard. Everybody is rooting for you to fail.
John Corcoran: 16:41
Oof!
Andy Cheng: 16:42
I’m like, and you look at all the Uncle Andy’s things, relative. Uncle, Auntie. You’re like, no, no they’re not. But then you’re just in disbelief or what situation I was in. So, and then at that time I still have. No, I didn’t tell my wife about what my mom told me until years later.
John Corcoran: 17:04
So what do you think she said? Did she say that? Was that meant to motivate you or was that.
Andy Cheng: 17:10
I think she meant to motivate me in an ancient way, but it was more like, oh, okay. You know, I’m only 27. No more funny. Hey, yo, hey.
John Corcoran: 17:21
Made it harder. It made it harder on you.
Andy Cheng: 17:22
It didn’t help. It didn’t. It didn’t help in the sense that. Okay, I need to let I cannot let my guard down. And then. Yeah. So honestly.
John Corcoran: 17:30
And you probably feel even more lonely after this.
Andy Cheng: 17:34
Yeah, I think so. I was extremely lonely. No one can like me because a lot of people want to drink, eat. But then no one I can talk to for business.
John Corcoran: 17:43
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which I mean, you later join Entrepreneurs’ Organization, which, of course not to turn this into an ad, not to turn this into an ad for EO, but, I mean, it is an organization that exists for the very purpose of giving entrepreneurs that community, giving that you know them a place that they can turn to where they have other people that they can talk to.
Andy Cheng: 18:05
Don’t feel alone anymore. That’s I think that’s the way of saying it. You’re not alone. Yeah. Right.
John Corcoran: 18:10
Right. What? Did anything. You know. How long did you stay in Shanghai? Was there anything that made you feel like you turned the corner on that?
Andy Cheng: 18:19
I stayed in Shanghai for a total of ten years, 2016. So I think in between I think I was always looking for other ways of making money. I just didn’t feel like my life was. I don’t want to settle. Like. So there was an opportunity to say, okay, iron ore mining. It was. It was.
John Corcoran: 18:44
Iron ore. All right, so you’re taking over your parents, your father’s. Yeah. Freight business. Yeah. And now you go to explore another business opportunity, which is iron ore mining. And this is in Mexico, halfway in.
Andy Cheng: 18:58
Mexico, because I couldn’t crack my way into Brazil, which is the main market of Australia. There’s already they’re called tier one. Okay. Tier one supply. You go for tier two because it’s cheaper. And then there are a lot of steel mills in China. They need to buy tier one and tier two because it’s cheaper to bring in to lower down their cost. So I went there. This funny thing I made my first bucket of gold. I guess money from Mexico because I was like doing the shipping for them.
I made a very quick 30 000 US net profit for absolutely doing nothing, just coordinating this and that and then getting a boat coming in, a vessel coming into China, $35,000. And I was like, wow, that’s easy money. That’s really easy money. So I started talking to the supplier, hey, can I become a middleman? And they say, yeah. And then I had no money in my pocket. So I convinced my aunt, one of my family friends, to say, hey, can you give me $1 million credit in the bank? And then somehow it was a very good sale to persuade her to give me $1 million. And I brought that credit line to Mexico.
John Corcoran: 20:16
And what was the to buy mining equipment or to buy?
Andy Cheng: 20:19
No. To buy supplies.
John Corcoran: 20:21
To buy supplies.
Andy Cheng: 20:22
And then I was able to leverage that. And then I started cold calling steel mills in China. Introduce myself and then when drinking with them, party with them and then convince them. Okay, give me a letter of credit LoC for whatever quantity I promised you. Whatever quality I promised you, I’ll get it done.
So I did so. And then it wasn’t until the first time I almost shit my pants when they sent a $2 million vessel coming in. And then we have what’s supposed to give them 50,000 tons of iron ore. By the time the vessel was there, we only had 10,000 tons. And then I called the buyer saying, I don’t think we’re going to make it this time. Guess what was his answer?
John Corcoran: 21:17
Well, he said.
Andy Cheng: 21:19
I haven’t given an F in ten days. If this vessel doesn’t leave with 50,000 Can’t we kill you?
John Corcoran: 21:27
Oh, this is from one of the Chinese, Chinese.
Andy Cheng: 21:32
Chinese owned buyer. Oh my gosh. So we scramble. I didn’t sleep for ten days. We buy everywhere possible. And then we made 55,000. We overload. Oh. So that was my first bucket of go. I think we made about a $1 million dam on that.
John Corcoran: 21:52
And then so you’re like, it’s somewhere in the spectrum between they kill you and you made $1 million. And in the span of ten days.
Andy Cheng: 22:01
When the vessel arrived in China, they treated me like I was a VIP. I represent Mexico. I’m the shit. I’m like the person I’m exploiting. I’ll put a Mexican word in the Chinese market. I was the shit. But I did.
John Corcoran: 22:21
That. Did you? So then were you like, I want to keep on doing this. Or are you like, this is crazy. I was like, okay.
Andy Cheng: 22:27
You know what the million dollars we made, we’re gonna invest in the next deal. And then guess how much we lost $2 million on the next deal. We made another million the next year. So we kind of figured after two years, I don’t have a business. This is not a business. This is not a business. And then my vendors start getting killed by the Mafia. So and then you kind of realized, okay, this is not the right way. And I don’t want to be that stressed out every day. And I don’t want to see my kids. I don’t want to see my wife. So I was living there for two years, for two years, on and off, without speaking a word of Spanish. And it’s just not right for me. Where?
John Corcoran: 23:07
Where in Mexico were you?
Andy Cheng: 23:10
I don’t think you know this place. Lazaro Cardenas is basically three hours away from Ixtapa, which is the resort area. It’s just, I mean, that.
John Corcoran: 23:21
Must have been pretty lonely, too, If your family wasn’t there and your.
Andy Cheng: 23:24
I was lonely, I was lonely, I. I never watched that much, you know, baseball in my room every night. And then I never cooked that much instant noodle. Because there is not much food to eat there. Yeah, nice food there.
But look, it’s experience, right? It made me tough.
John Corcoran: 23:44
So let’s fast forward then to Freight Genesis. Your uncle tricked you into starting this business. How does that happen?
Andy Cheng: 23:53
When I moved to the States, I really I mean, I didn’t feel the reason why I left China. Well, this company is still there, still operating as of today. I just feel like I’m no longer valuable in China. So back in 30.
John Corcoran: 24:08
But before we get to that, did you feel like there was a point you reached where you felt like the company was operating enough that you could leave that? Did you have one?
Andy Cheng: 24:19
Good team in place? My right hand person. We have the teams kind of set up there, and I was never really that passionate about logistics because my dad wasn’t right. So I feel kind of like an.
John Corcoran: 24:31
Accident, kind of an accidental logistics company owner.
Andy Cheng: 24:34
Yeah. So, in 2016 my forum from EO Chinese in Shanghai asked me if I would love to move to the States. He will sponsor me. I was like, yes. So I moved there without even doing any study whatsoever about what Los Angeles looked like. So I moved there. I chose Chino Hill because I thought it was a nearby warehouse, which I could do some importing. So I moved there. If it was, it was. And then I still refused to do any more logistic companies until my uncle told me, hey, I need some handling for you in LA.
Can you open a company? It’s easy. Come. You don’t. You barely need to spend time. So he tricked me into opening with him. And then when I told my friends from China, hey, I opened a logistic company and next thing you know is a lot more shipment coming in. So. And that becomes, I guess I became a forwarder again in state in an accident. And then. And that company just took off.
John Corcoran: 25:42
So you’re back into the same line of work. But not.
Andy Cheng: 25:46
Really. Basically I put down more logistics, you know, I guess work for me. And then because I also have been doing I mean, later on I have been doing a pandemic which the business really kicked off. Yeah.
John Corcoran: 25:59
Let’s talk about that. I mean, well, during the pandemic, there also were a ton of logistics issues. So how did you deal with that during that time period?
Andy Cheng: 26:10
We just had to face it. And I guess I keep telling myself, enjoy the problem. Every day I woke up. Enjoy the problem. Enjoy the problem. It’s just looking at your own pace yourself. And then during that time, I started using virtual assistant remote talent. And then that’s when I explored the benefits of outsourcing. But get back to the logistics. It was a money making time of two years. But the only thing I think I’d done differently in other forwarders is I did not reinvest the money I made to rent a bigger warehouse to hire more. I was very cautious because I knew that fundamentally, the market is never it’s not real during a pandemic.
John Corcoran: 27:00
So you knew that this, this, it got much bigger, but you knew it would die down. So you didn’t want to invest? Yeah.
Andy Cheng: 27:06
Okay. Only every household can purchase that much more things for their home. Yeah. So you do their purchasing so much because the government gave them money, but at the end, you know, they get back to normal. They’re going to purchase the way they used to before the pandemic. Right. So I knew the situation. No you don’t. No situation. Nothing.
John Corcoran: 27:24
You ended up also starting a company and you became the biggest isolation gown provider during the pandemic.
Andy Cheng: 27:30
So okay, John, this is a funny one. At the very beginning of our pandemic, I bet every business thought this was the end of their, their whatever money or whatever. So I have all my credit cards lying on my table and then call each of the credit card companies and see how much more credit I can use and feel like. Okay, I use all the credit cards. If I don’t pay, then I will leave the USA.
I was like, okay, this is my last layer, a last frontier. How do you go? And then one day I l l a chat room. Somebody from one of the member posts. Hey, MLK, Martin Luther King Junior King Hospital is looking for N95 masks. N95, which is the mask, right? Yeah. And then I remember I vividly remember there’s a warehouse nine minutes away from my home in Chino Hills. Legendary said they have N95. I went in the next morning, took a photo, sent it to.
John Corcoran: 28:33
My friend during the pandemic. You just went straight down there, walked down, knocked on the door, walked down there.
Andy Cheng: 28:37
Hey, I heard you have a 95. Can I see it? I took a photo. I took video, and then within two hours, the hospital sent a truck with cash. They inspect it. They gave me money, and I was like, wow, that’s a quick $4,000 money.
John Corcoran: 28:54
Whatever you did, you buy this? The masks from the warehouse? Yeah. Do you buy them and then resell them?
Andy Cheng: 29:01
I passed whatever the cost, the cash to the warehouse, and then it was a cash transaction. And then. Wow, that was a quick $4,000 for doing this. And then the next thing the member was so appreciative of, she posted thank you notes on a chat room. I still have that screenshot. And then it’s like, thank you, thank you for this thing and you’re the man. Thank you for saving this hospital, which I did. But I also made money, so I didn’t feel like you needed to thank me for making money. It’s not like I didn’t do it for charity. And then we didn’t spend five minutes.
I got 20 different messages and phone calls from AOL members. Hey, I heard you. The math guy. I heard you, the PPE guy. And again, it’s a fake account. You make it, I say, sure I am. And then I just figure, okay, why not register a new company called Math Guru? And then and then rumors spread very fast all the way to China. And then we had the factory reach out to me. Rumor says, Andy, you can sell PPE, which I didn’t. Okay, I say, sure. Can we ship our isolation gown to you? Give me your address. So guess how many containers arrived within the next one month. John.
John Corcoran: 30:12
How many? Ten.
Andy Cheng: 30:13
50 containers arrived to my team, by the way. Where did you put the warehouse? While the containers are on the way, we can notify them. I started searching for warehouses. Warehouses? So I have EO members who I warehouse. I was begging everybody to take over my 50. So without love, I didn’t know until six months later. And then when I acknowledged that. Andy, you do realize that you’re the largest isolation gowns supplier in the entire North America. Wow. So my company grew from zero. We went from 0 to $5.5 million in six months.
John Corcoran: 30:51
Wow. That’s insane.
Andy Cheng: 30:54
It was crazy.
John Corcoran: 30:55
Why were they there ? There was a period of time where everyone was trying to get PPE. Why was it just your network? Like, how were you able to find this supply when everyone else was desperate to find it?
Andy Cheng: 31:09
I think it’s just once you have the reputation and then honestly, I’m always the guy and say, hey John, you say, hey Andy, I have, I don’t know, I have two pallets of masks. I know I will not believe a word you say until you say, John, what’s your action? I’m going to inspect myself. I think my reputation is that I don’t just do transactions. You verify, I don’t, I verify. Yeah. And then, honestly, anybody who wants to buy with me, I always we always do the transaction at the parking lot. So it was so many times it was like, okay, where’s your money? Where’s your mask? I want to I’m not want to give you my mask. I’ll never see the money the other way around. So I did it at the beginning of the stage. This is what I did. People would think I’m doing cocaine, but I was doing math. It’s funny.
John Corcoran: 31:54
It’s more profitable than cocaine.
Andy Cheng: 31:56
Cocaine?
John Corcoran: 31:57
Exactly. For that period of time. So you end up. Oh, I wanted to ask you, when we were talking about Freight Genesis earlier, you said that you were very careful during the During the pandemic, you knew that this was a bubble. You knew that there was an inflated demand during that period of time.
So you’re very careful to not over invest, not, you know, buy too much equipment with mascara. You said you went from 0 to 5.5 million. How did you protect yourself? Because I’m sure you also realized with PPE that this was not going to last forever. So how did you ensure that you did not make that mistake with that business?
Andy Cheng: 32:36
Oh, same thing. It’s once you start training down, like, here’s the thing, I, I have a mentality when the market tells you it’s going down, you don’t need to prove to the market. No, no. You’re wrong. The market is my macro way of telling you this is going down. Now you know that people start going out. You know a mask is not going to be needed. And that means an isolation gown. So we start selling cheaper and cheaper. Cheaper. And then we are the first few suppliers we start giving away for free. to the end. We’re begging the hospital. Take it for free. I’ll even chip in some money to ship it for you. For free.
John Corcoran: 33:15
Because you wanted to get it off your hands.
Andy Cheng: 33:17
Because, you know, once this doesn’t solve, then you’re going to be owing a lot of warehouse storage charge. So, yeah, I think one of my experiences is knowing when to get out.
John Corcoran: 33:29
Know to get out, you know.
Andy Cheng: 33:30
Yeah. It’s like iron or, you know, time to quit. Like I used to want to prove everybody wrong. Yeah, but that’s just being ego. That’s ego talking.
John Corcoran: 33:38
Let’s talk about OptiNizers. You mentioned earlier that this was inspired by your previous businesses where you started using. Yeah. So how did you start using this kind of outsourced remote talent?
Andy Cheng: 33:51
I was able to offer a service called CEO coaching. Should we hold that? Yeah. So my coach, she was coaching me and then she was coaching from school to help me to expand. And then one day she just said, do you know how to use a virtual assistant? I was like, what? What’s that? She was the one who made the intro. What? That is at Google, and then I used one of the servers, one of the agencies, to place three people for me and it wasn’t pleasant because I was paying like nearly $2800 a month.
And my operation person is like, always falling asleep during my shift, during my time. And after one day I asked her, okay, why are you always asleep? She said, sorry, Sandy, I have to work in the morning. I’m like, why? I thought my money was good enough for you. She said, no, I’m only getting paid 452,800. She was getting a fraction of that. So I told her, you know what? Screw that. Quit your job.
Quit from them. Come to me. I’ll pay you more. Okay? And then I was complaining to my friends from the Philippines like, hey, my. Now my co-founders. Hey, Okay. This sucks. This business sucks. Like, what the heck? And then she was. Then he said, Andy, yo, you want to complain about it or you want to do something about it? And the next thing I know, we start a company that focuses on helping small businesses like you and me to grow with outsource remote talent. And also, most importantly, we want to make a difference for our Filipino talent. Like you want to get paid. So we don’t, we hardly negotiate with our virtual talent. Like however you want to pay, you want to get paid. This is the money you want to pay you. We don’t want to negotiate on that.
John Corcoran: 35:44
Yeah. And you mentioned that you have a business partner. How did you decide that this is a long conversation? But how do you decide that that was the right business partner for you?
Andy Cheng: 35:58
I think it’s about value alignment. What do you believe in? What’s yours? And then, honestly, I’m happy. My first business partner is like we have extremely different personalities. It’s like. It’s like marriage. You can’t have two Alpha. It won’t work. So he is alpha in his industry and Alpha in my industry.
But then with this together, they led me to be running the business the way I want to. And then he became a supporter. So supportive of running this with me. But he gave me the whole freedom to run the way I want to run and then give me and but then not be afraid to tell me my blind spot.
John Corcoran: 36:38
And yeah, I know, I’m a big fan of using outsourced talent. I think there’s amazing talent out there on this globe. And we’ve all become interconnected, especially after the pandemic, with different tools that allow us to work together. But what are your opinions of the market now as we record this at the end of 2024? You know, obviously during the pandemic, remote work was very popular and a lot of people were starting to hire VA agencies and hire outsourced staff and stuff like that. What do you know, where do you see it, like just is there a lot more potential out there? This year? Has it seemed like, you know, with the pandemic receding, did it level off? What’s the market look like?
Andy Cheng: 37:22
The market is still big. And of course there are more, I guess companies like us in the market at the end. I think the market is still big because most of my clients never had a virtual assistant in their life. So a lot of small businesses now have to because of the inflation here labor costs and you know, lawsuits here, they tend to want to outsource. It could be in the Philippines, Latin America or Eastern Europe.
I think the trend is still there. But with the AI coming, the difference between now versus say, 2 or 3 years ago is you don’t need to have. So suppose you have a couple of vacancies like you had five vacancies five years ago for the same five openings you can use three 2 to 3 virtual assistants with remote talent. We say that right now we feel that because of AI.
John Corcoran: 38:11
AI.
Andy Cheng: 38:11
AI is not here to replace us. AI is here to make us more efficient. The one who doesn’t use AI, those who are remote talent will be replaced. The market is still there. Yeah.
John Corcoran: 38:25
Yeah. We’re almost out of time. But I want to ask you about your involvement in an entrepreneur’s organization. You’ve been heavily involved, served as president, served on regional roles. We talked earlier about how lonely you felt early in your career when you had to step in. You didn’t have anyone to turn to. Talk a little bit about the impact that EO has had on you personally and professionally.
Andy Cheng: 38:47
Oh, right. What can we begin? I think he is a gateway for me to really share my, my. UPS and downs. My 5%. It’s like. And then also a lot of friends I made from. You know, they have no problem telling me what the heck I’m doing wrong. Like I need people. I have enough people to tell me how perfect I am. I just.
John Corcoran: 39:15
Not relatives.
Andy Cheng: 39:16
Yeah, just not just not relatives, right? I don’t have enough people to tell me what the hell I’m doing wrong. And then he chose a place to go to help to show your blind spots. And then also, I guess this is a community where I really am, I thrive. My business, basically, since I joined. Wow. This is. I realize who I am, what I want to do. I found my tribe. I find my community here, especially in L.A.. I love my chapter. Yes, I was the president just this past June. And I’m still involved in the regional and hopefully I’ll do more and more. I’m a learning expert, so feel free to reach out to me on any learning things. And then yeah, I mean, I’m really here because I’m inspired to make a difference in people’s lives in my life.
John Corcoran: 40:07
And then my last question: I’m a big fan of gratitude, especially expressing gratitude to any peers or contemporaries who’ve helped you in your journey. Who would you want to acknowledge?
Andy Cheng: 40:18
Oh, the first one is definitely my wife. Ruby definitely led me to be who I want to be like she allowed me to. She allowed me. She led me to travel anywhere. I want to enjoy my life. Treat. This time she led me to be who I want to be. And you know, I want to thank my Ella people, especially my people. There are a couple very close friends, Alice, Elizabeth, Mitch and Brad. I have a lot of people there.
Cindy. They challenged me every way possible. And I formed a couple foreign before. And then they really were there when everything wasn’t working. They were there for me, like literally there for me. They cry with me. They succeed with me. They are always there for me. And of course, I guess my family does not. Yes, I know my family. They’re my cornerstone and MP classmates. Yes. Thank you. Honestly, if you are here long enough, I will be shocked that you did not try to apply for MP. It’s like a game.
John Corcoran: 41:28
Changer and MP is the entrepreneurial master’s program. It’s kind of like an executive MBA within an entrepreneur’s organization. Yeah, yeah.
Andy Cheng: 41:36
65 people around the globe. It’s the hardest program to get into. It’s not about money. It’s about how they want everyone to be there, to be the one that wants to try to change, Trying to make a different impact in the community. That’s what I think.
John Corcoran: 41:56
Andy, it’s been such a pleasure hearing your backstory. Where can people go to learn more about you and OptiNizers and other things you’re involved in?
Andy Cheng: 42:04
Thank you. Well, follow me on LinkedIn or my Facebook. I’m not active on social media, but I’m very private because of Mexico, because that’s another story I want to tell you later. But I’m always around. If you’re from El, you probably will see me either in regional or global events. I’m almost there. I don’t miss much on any of the activities. Thank you John. Thank you.
John Corcoran: 42:28
Thank you so much, Andy.
Outro: 43.00
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